A few old-fashioned morons go a parent-teacher meeting and scream “We never had all this psychotherapy bullshit when I was a kid!” And everyone mummers to each other that yeah, we can’t impose our reason-based evaluation of reality on someone else’s ignorance, that wouldn’t be American!

I absolutely condone the use of violence against fascism.

hell fucking yeah brotha. We did it before, we should keep doing it.

Nobody understands a thing you’re saying, I think you don’t grasp the concept of “context” like so many internet drones. I’m blocking you now, have a good day

I say let it stand as a testament.

I know you’re joking around, but I’ll take advantage of the moment to rant on a tangent for a bit. I legit saw this attitude spreading through the moderator space on reddit a decade ago, as they started getting influenced by users to let slide more and more horrible takes so that “the community can judge for themselves” as tender, shut-in lads and lasses who were trying to manage our largest discussion forums without pay were suddenly being bombarded from all sides by people trying to subvert the subreddits and control them for their own agendas.

And largely, it worked. Many, many times I’ve seen subreddits and forums on other sites fall because the mods got compromised, the other mods got too burned out or emotional to keep doing their tasks, and as a result the conversations started allowing more and more incel-bait, tired tropes of persecution and misogyny, foulmouthed, delusional teenagers who have never left their houses suddenly making profound statements about the state of gender dynamics, and a whole ARMY of foreigners pretending to be normal Americans or Europeans on both sides of every argument, just screaming their nonsense louder and louder until the only users left were the ones who agreed with the delusion. I wish people understood that some of the most famous horrible subreddits and sites started as jokes and were gradually co-opted and hijacked to become unironic hate-spaces.

This was the plan all across the internet and it worked. We are all so tired of every argument and issue that most people don’t engage anymore. We don’t even try to correct anyone because we assume either other users know better, or will sort it out for us, or who cares anyway, what’s even real? Just tune out, keep scrolling.

So now I say, no. We need to be far less tolerant of intolerance, we need to burn them out of their nests and dens. Reddit didn’t go nearly far enough with banning the incel subs, they should have banned incel ideology, they should have banned redpill rhetoric entirely. I once would have balked at that kind of “censorship” but I’m now watching my nation dissolve under the stupidest movement ever created and I’m somewhere between shaking with rage and shaking with exhaustion.

Social division as a result of people not socializing anymore has driven a massive wedge between the diverse and beautiful spectrum of people who used to find appreciation and joy in each others differences.

Now every time you meet someone with different feelings than yourself, the internet has trained you to feel attacked.

This is why we’re all alone, we’re afraid of being attacked, and somehow our definitions of what an attack is has been radically subverted.

I get called a conspiracist for linking the actual reports and investigations into this, but this was by design.

Almost every authoritarian/fascist uprising on record has started with the indoctrination and isolation of young, sexually insecure, lonely men who feel disenfranchised with the system because they’re depressed, horny and have mixed-up ideas how to be liked by others. It’s incredibly easy to peel off a massive chunk of this population and get them to start blaming the government, society broadly, science, knowledge, literally anything but their own need to improve their social skills and gain some emotional intelligence.

These are our dumbest, angriest, loudest men, and thus become the major influencing factor on their peers, online and off. They set the tone and everyone else just kind of goes along with it, or leaves them to grow and gain power in peace.

This is unhinged and nonsensical, either you have poor English reading comprehension or this is a troll post. I’ll let mods decide.

He is maintaining a stupid stageplay for his stupid base whom he still needs to retain power, as they are basically an army he could mobilize if he has to.

Sure he would probably be happy and make sacks of cash if he got Ukraine to surrender, but nobody expects that to happen. Outside of said idiots who believe Trump to be Stupid-Jesus risen again. Most of them are too dim to understand what’s happening and delight in their own cognitive dissonance. They read a statement like this and go “YEAH BROTHA TELL THEM FREELOADERS TO STOP STEALING AMERICAN CASH” then tell all their friends and family and nonconsenting coworkers how Trump “resolved the ukraine war” like he promised.

If anyone thinks any part of that is hyperbolic, you’re not getting out enough. Ya’ll gotta understand that the quarter of America who worships this orange turd are cheering and partying all day, every day. They’re not worried, they’re not regretting shit. All of that is distraction and pandering. They believe themselves to be winning, and their leader controls the world’s most wealthy and powerful nation.

Social identity is one of those things we never talk about, it’s something most people don’t even believe exists. But it’s so fundamental to who we are as a species that when it’s taken away, people will lose the will to live entirely even if they’re not depressed or have any mental illness. This has been researched to a great degree and we’ve made laws pertaining to how we treat prisoners because we’ve collectively determined that to take someone’s social identity away is tantamount to cruel and unusual punishment.

Meanwhile, we have all built an interconnected palace to finding ways to dismantle our own social identities online. It doesn’t matter how “introverted” you think you are or how reclusive you feel, you need a social identity to survive, you need other people, you need to define yourself in relation to others. It’s hardwired.

And scrolling on the internet doesn’t fill this gap. You can’t get that self-inflection from reading other people’s thoughts in your own head. You have to engage with others to find yourself, and if you don’t, you slowly become more and more withdrawn and distant and you start to blame these dark feelings on everything else, because how do you even identify a cause or a syndrome that we don’t even have language for in most cases? How many 18-year-old boys who don’t know how to talk to girls are thinking “I need to exercise my social capacity to better find my own values”? When it’s so much easier to find a forum that says you’re the one who’s right and true and honest, and the world is against you.

Yah I used to one-on-one real-life coaching and mentoring, I’ve done my time, I’ve done my service, I’ve had several boys who became men send me letters thanking me for “saving their life” so I disagree about ALL of this, we shouldn’t be expecting anything with our stupid online chatter. This whole post is useless compared to actually getting out and talking to people, making an actual impact on someone’s life. The one thing that NOBODY wants to actually do. None of you readers out there want to talk to some incel and listen to their problems and give them actual help.

You want to bury men like Tate? You start getting boys off the internet entirely.

There’s an old adage that you should never make life policy decisions based on how you feel in the moment. The MGTOW guys, even the “best” of them are stuck in a perpetual reaction state and thus their policy and mission statement are less actual tactics for finding comfort and peace, and more a reaction designed to elicit a response from other people.

It’s a tantrum. They’re all throwing a tantrum.

If you’re actually making your own decisions about if you want to date or not, you just do it, you don’t need to wear it like a uniform, you don’t actually need community support outside of whatever actual social circle you [should] already have in life. The MGTOW movement, even in the most charitable possible light, is massively performative and expecting some kind of attention. This is why they get increasingly vocal and toxic, they’re like the 11-year-old kid who packed all his favorite belongings in a checkerboard bindle over his shoulder and is at the front door shouting “I’M REALLY RUNNING AWAY NOW! FOR REAL! YOU’RE ALL GONNA BE SORRY!”

Ideally, you have these “arguments” well ahead of time before you marry someone who has fucked up attitudes about anyone, anywhere.

People can absolutely change and “wake up” to realize that the shit they’re holding onto is going to cost them their future and they will absolutely change for the better when they care for someone else and want a better future. But not everyone is willing or capable of self-examination, and many are also not willing or capable of making changes.

Find out before you both have your names on a mortgage or carton of eggs together.

I love just saying “toxic masculinity” anywhere online, even if you’re deep in the bowels of Lemmy, you will get a few reactionary turds who just see the term and lose all cognitive ability to think and mash the downvote button between heated breaths and tears streaming down their faces.

edit: and it continues, very predictable. Seriously guys, just be honest if the term makes you feel shit, you will find truth by pursuing those feelings and the questions around them, literally you will figure out why you’re actually unhappy. Don’t pull back, push through. Yes, I am provoking, and if it’s provocation that has an effect on you, that’s a HUGE sign that you can figure out a big truth about yourself and the world if you spend like, 30 minutes in uncomfortable silence asking yourself “why” about things and being painfully honest in your replies until you hit bedrock.

YES! A swimsuit competition!

This is absolutely a kind of rage-bait.

I don’t doubt that there’s a growing segment of misogynistic boys who have been influenced by Tate and our society’s general check-out when it comes to being communal and supporting each other and the absolute bullshit mess that social media and online dating has created for young relationships, the statistics are abysmal and worrying…

But that said, the large majority of all Americans at any age are still pretty much just getting through it like always.

These kinds of stories, while beneficial that they are highlight and showing us problems that need to be addressed, all they’re doing without a prescriptive solution or counter-point is just wedging this division in our community further and further apart. It’s making girls scared of boys. It’s making boys scared that girls will think they’re horrible misogynists, and thus they will be defensive at the ready accusations and the exchanges spiral from there.

It’s revolting that we cling to hateful figures so readily. They give us validation for pent-up frustration and anger at a system that has abandoned us. That’s why it’s addicting to read about horrible things and horrible people. Which makes horrible things and horrible people. Our addiction to hating people is creating people like Tate, because our desire to hate someone makes us click on these stories over and over and feel that righteous outrage that seems to make everything make sense. It’s addicting and we need to recognize it and stop imbibing in it.

It’s an attempt to normalize the fear/hate of LGBTQ+ people on an international level. As long as the administration continues to constantly press this issue, much like the “mere exposure” advertising effect, it doesn’t matter if people believe it nor not, the more times people hear a thing, the more likely they are to adopt that belief or feeling, even to a tiny degree.

That tiny degree, when continually pressed, when continually exposed, over large populations, influences a large number of people.

As long as they have an enemy group they can pin their problems on, they will keep going and keep ramping up the atrocities until we see mass graves. Again. (Seriously, how many times do we have to see mass graves in our nations before we decide that our leadership needs to be thrown down a well.)

If you guys care, please don’t just rant on Lemmy or other internet spaces. Go talk to your family members. Talk to your friends. If you don’t have friends, GO MAKE FRIENDS. GO MAKE ENEMIES. Our anti-social, paranoid, self-absorbed internet shut-in culture is making all of this tragedy possible.

Guys, you HAVE to push through those terrifying feelings of engaging with strangers. You HAVE to get social again. We don’t win this behind keyboards.

Capitalist nations do not care about their people.

They’re all capitalist nations.

That user is unhinged, don’t try to engage, they’re having a bad day/week/life and just trying to take it out on allies and people having conversations. Check their moderation history and how many places they’re banned from.

There are over 65 MILLION hispanic people in the US, many of them have family or other connections in Mexico.

If this clown started a war with fucking Mexico, it would end just like his “war with canada” with millions of people marching on DC and dragging his bloated, festering orange ass out of the white house with force and likely exacting their own justice out on the lawn. Americans have been wounded, but they still have limits.

Trump (or his team) know this, that’s why they’re saying all this shit, because they KNOW it riles up people who aren’t his supporters. They are deliberately trying to stoke division so that the Trump-haters and Trump-lovers go to war with each other. That is their ideal fantasy because it would allow martial law, revocation of rights, and like, five more terms of various Trump family members sitting on the throne.

Their trick is going to be riding the line long enough so that people tune out and stop caring about the lesser crimes he’s doing all day, every day.

Haha, believable except for the part about oligarchs being on yachts.

In 50 years they will be in habitats in orbit or on other planets, free from pesky laws or crumbling climate. The ocean is going to be a stagnant, warm swamp of stinking algae and dead fish.