Rights advocates call on the Trump administration to ensure accountability for the killing of Sayfollah Musallet.

Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank have beaten to death a United States citizen in his early 20s, the victim’s family members and rights groups have said.

“We are aware of reports of the death of a US citizen in the West Bank,” Reuters reported a State Department spokesperson as saying. The official declined to comment further “out of respect for the privacy of the family and loved ones” of the reported victim.

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
      163·
      1 day ago

      You say that like MAGA are the only ones that don’t care about Israel killing Americans. Were you even aware that it happened under Biden?

        • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
          74·
          20 hours ago

          Don’t be deliberately disingenuous. And if you’re insist on it, then I’ll match you: point to where I said you used the word ‘only’ in your comment, in my comment.

          • communism@lemmy.ml
            43·
            20 hours ago

            You comment strongly implied that you thought Maple Engineer thought this was a MAGA-specific phenomenon. There isn’t the same strong implication in Maple Engineer’s comment.

            • Maeve@kbin.earth
              2·
              1 hour ago

              Not an American, A Palestinian American. The Magazis don’t give a shit.

              Bold mine. Yes there is.

            • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
              33·
              20 hours ago

              Can you point to where I said he thought it was a maga specific phenomenon?

              • communism@lemmy.ml
                22·
                18 hours ago

                Can I point to where I said you said that explicitly? I can point to where I said you said it implicitly though. (emphasis mine)

                You comment strongly implied that you thought Maple Engineer thought this was a MAGA-specific phenomenon.

                You also more or less said it explicitly though, if you want to go down that route. I can’t quote a specific part of your comment because your entire comment is based on this suggestion. (emphasis mine again)

                You say that like MAGA are the only ones that don’t care about Israel killing Americans. Were you even aware that it happened under Biden?

            • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
              64·
              20 hours ago

              I am begging reddit debate lords to actually learn what ‘strawman’ means, rather than treating the wikipedia page on logical fallacies like a list of magic incantations.

              I am also begging them to just talk plainly: “You strawmanned me”, rather than this insufferable nerd sarcasm bullshit of “sorry you strawman didn’t work.”

              • Maple Engineer@lemmy.world
                26·
                19 hours ago

                I mean if, we’re being real, it was also a whataboutism. “What about what the democrats did?”

                Get better.

                • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  8·
                  6 hours ago

                  Whataboutism is itself a thought-terminating cliché.

                  Citations Needed podcast: Whataboutism - The Media’s Favorite Rhetorical Shield Against Criticism of US Policy

                  Since the beginning of what’s generally called ‘RussiaGate’ three years ago, pundits, media outlets, even comedians have all become insta-experts on supposed Russian propaganda techniques. The most cunning of these tricks, we are told, is that of “whataboutism” – a devious Soviet tactic of deflecting criticism by pointing out the accusers’ hypocrisy and inconsistencies. The tu quoque - or, “you, also” - fallacy, but with a unique Slavic flavor of nihilism, used by Trump and leftists alike in an effort to change the subject and focus on the faults of the United States rather than the crimes of Official State Enemies.

                  But what if “whataboutism” isn’t describing a propaganda technique, but in fact is one itself: a zombie phrase that’s seeped into everyday liberal discourse that – while perhaps useful in the abstract - has manifestly turned any appeal to moral consistency into a cunning Russian psyop. From its origins in the Cold War as a means of deflecting and apologizing for Jim Crow to its braindead contemporary usage as a way of not engaging any criticism of the United States as the supposed arbiter of human rights, the term “whataboutism” has become a term that - 100 percent of the time - is simply used to defend and legitimizing American empire’s moral narratives.

                  • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
                    2·
                    6 hours ago

                    That’s an interesting excerpt. I always thought the proper response to an identified whatabout is to simply say “I asked you first.” -That’s assuming the opposite party refused to respond to the initial premise, argument, or question. I imagine if they did respond to the initial premise, argument, or question then asking whatabout… is just a standard form of discussion and debate, or so I’d think.

                • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  43·
                  7 hours ago

                  Get better.

                  Do you lot insist on writing like the most annoying losers on earth deliberately?

                  • Maple Engineer@lemmy.world
                    23·
                    6 hours ago

                    You know what the absolutely weakest whataboutism is? Both sides!

                    You’re on a roll. Do a Gish Gallop next! I love Gish Gallops!

    • pinguinu [any]@lemmygrad.ml
      12·
      2 days ago

      Don’t worry. Rachel Corrie was white and they killed her with the US’ knowledge too. US conservatives don’t even know she existed, liberals barely either.