Hamas could be literally the devil and that wouldn’t excuse a single atrocity of the dozens Israel commits against Palestinians daily.
I don’t say it does. I’m just trying to make you understand why Israel is still getting support (not because they like the way Israel is waging it’s war, but because Israel is facing the threat of annihilation, e.g. by Hamas).
And let’s not forget that Christians get to live peacefully in Gaza, so clearly it’s not a Muslim state for Muslims.
I think you know exactly what I mean. As it also won’t be enough for you that Christians can live peacefully in Israel…
How does that in any way excuse what Israel is doing?
It doesn’t. It only hampers Palestinians in getting international support.
Partition had always been a prelude to Zionist conquest of all of Palestine.
Your interpretation. Especially since it wasn’t Israel that invaded it’s neighbours after being founded but the other way round. The Arab States lost a war they started themselves. Nevertheless, partition has been internationally agreed upon and it won’t disappear. A peace has to acknowledge this, an entity still dreaming of conquering everything will not be able to succeed. On both sides.
Certainly not because they kept doing shit like this.
Again, we can exchange links to massacres each supporting our argument all day long and won’t get anywhere. You might for example check out what happend to the Jewish population in Gaza in the late 20s. Fighting has been going on there for a very very long time and I don’t think anyone can reasonably pinpoint which side is to blame!
Did you want the Arab states to ignore the ethnic cleansing happening right on their doorstep?
Starting (and losing!) that war has lost them a ton of land and pride. I don’t really think it was worth it - as no violence in that conflict was worth it in the end.
Then you went on a diatribe about the evil Arabs refusing to accept Israel’s Apartheid and ethnic cleansing-riddled existence.
You might not agree with what I’m saying. But at least you should be open to listen to it. I didn’t say anything about “evil Arabs”. I don’t think they’re evil. But I also don’t think the Arab side did not contribute to this conflict as a whole by their own actions. Now, to be perfectly clear, that doesn’t excuse the way Israel is waging this war right now! But as a whole, it isn’t as black and white as you’re trying to make it look.
Your whole argument is that western powers have to keep supporting Israel even through its genocide until Palestine demonstrates sufficient dedication to peace (that they already have).
No. My argument is that western powers will realistically keep on supporting Israel as long as there are players in the region that want to destroy it. If you and I agree with that or not. And I see Hamas as one of those players. If you want to keep the support to end, i.a. Hamas (or their main goal) has to disappear.
Okay I said clearly that Hamas entered three permanent ceasefire agreements with Israel that Israel then proceeded to break. If you care to have an honest conversation you should respond (and should have responded) to that.
I don’t say it does. I’m just trying to make you understand why Israel is still getting support (not because they like the way Israel is waging it’s war, but because Israel is facing the threat of annihilation, e.g. by Hamas).
I think you know exactly what I mean. As it also won’t be enough for you that Christians can live peacefully in Israel…
It doesn’t. It only hampers Palestinians in getting international support.
Your interpretation. Especially since it wasn’t Israel that invaded it’s neighbours after being founded but the other way round. The Arab States lost a war they started themselves. Nevertheless, partition has been internationally agreed upon and it won’t disappear. A peace has to acknowledge this, an entity still dreaming of conquering everything will not be able to succeed. On both sides.
Again, we can exchange links to massacres each supporting our argument all day long and won’t get anywhere. You might for example check out what happend to the Jewish population in Gaza in the late 20s. Fighting has been going on there for a very very long time and I don’t think anyone can reasonably pinpoint which side is to blame!
Starting (and losing!) that war has lost them a ton of land and pride. I don’t really think it was worth it - as no violence in that conflict was worth it in the end.
You might not agree with what I’m saying. But at least you should be open to listen to it. I didn’t say anything about “evil Arabs”. I don’t think they’re evil. But I also don’t think the Arab side did not contribute to this conflict as a whole by their own actions. Now, to be perfectly clear, that doesn’t excuse the way Israel is waging this war right now! But as a whole, it isn’t as black and white as you’re trying to make it look.
No. My argument is that western powers will realistically keep on supporting Israel as long as there are players in the region that want to destroy it. If you and I agree with that or not. And I see Hamas as one of those players. If you want to keep the support to end, i.a. Hamas (or their main goal) has to disappear.
Okay I said clearly that Hamas entered three permanent ceasefire agreements with Israel that Israel then proceeded to break. If you care to have an honest conversation you should respond (and should have responded) to that.